I M Perfect lady


Say Nothing.

On Ex-toots blog, she asks the question, "What can we do to try and make it safe to speak up?"

How does a religion create an unsafe environment for victims telling about abuse?

How is it possible that in the land of Jesus, God and the bible, we are not allowed to feel safe?  Or at least safe IF we want to speak out about the evil acts and deeds of others?

Is it possible that the fear based teachings have done this?

That when you raise folks based on the fear of God, the fear of doing something different, the fear of elders, the fear, the fear, and fear, that they will then fear going against their abusers?

Surely we can't be surprised that we created the perfect victim…

One who is too afraid to speak up about someone who is in power.

One who has learned to silently give up their rights to their bodies.

What will it take to empower them now?

Will the adults in the church suddenly start giving back their bodies freedom?

Will they allow them to own their hair and finger nails?

Who is going to swing this environment around….will it be adult led or by children?

From what I have experienced and heard, it will not be the adults…

And, the abused (adult) children will have to find empowerment outside of the church, for the church doesn't appreciate self expression, will power, and freedom of speech, or of a person owning their own bodies and minds.

Literally or perhaps they would say figuratively, the church has been their first abuser, by taking away all their rights. 

As a victim of both the religion and sexual abuse, I honestly can't tell one being more kind.  In fact, the religious abuse appears equally as fake…as my father loving me.

It is like religion has a fake front of God, Love and Jesus, while it is removing all things God is.

If you put the way these religions treat a person and the way an abuser does, you will not find too many contradictions.

Both want you powerless, silently following, pleasing them and forsaking your own truth and feelings.

I feel completely abused by the church and my father, they were equal partners to strip me from being my self.

I could no more fight against my father, than I could rebell against the religion.  I no more could protect my fingernails and hair than I could my private parts.  I had no power…against either.

My mother brought in religion and my father brought in sexual abuse.

Looking into both, there was no place for a child to feel safe, seen, heard or understood. And, we are asking our children to tell. Tell who?  

My mother has yet to HEAR me. She hears sounds, but does not hear.

My father, well I didn't even try to speak to him…his actions clearly said it all.

And, I guess so do those who sit in the pews of these churches, who have given up all their rights, to their bodies and their minds….

We are asking children to "Tell" when for generations of victims…telling will earn you a pass to estrangement.  Telling isn't what keeps these families together, allowing and having no boundaries are.

The thing that will tear these families apart IS TELLING.

Perhaps what is mostly safe, is our families in the dark.  

Our family is not safe when the truth appears.

The church's faith is not safe when the truth appears.  

And the child knows they will not be safe, IF they try and disrupt the 'loving' family and find evil in the church.  They are only accepted if they go along…silently untelling.

It isn't about telling of abuse, IT is about telling of the false front it is presenting.

A false family of love and trust and kindness.

A church of high morals and values.

This is what we are not to tear down with soiling both with monsters, tales of abuse, acts of indifference, how forgiveness of sins only works for the pedophiles, and the list goes on and on.

Like my mother always said, "If you dont' have anything nice to say, say NOTHING." 



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  1. Earl Redinger Avatar
    Earl Redinger

    You are so spot on it is uncanny. My trip into alcoholism was motivated by the spiritual abuse. It only took 36 years of work, professional and self to understand the toxic stain this abuse left, and reading the stories of some very wonderful folks like yourself. Keep on keeping on, Earl

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  2. Martha Smalley Avatar
    Martha Smalley

    I belong to this church. I have heard nothing. I don’t even know of whom you are speaking. If I thought someone was molesting my kids (or someone elses) I would do what I could to ensure that person went to jail! I don’t understand how I, who attends it, does not know this, and someone else does?

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  3. Beth Jukuri Avatar
    Beth Jukuri

    You know Martha, i can’t know why you have heard nothing. But, I have. So now what?
    I also thought, on which side do we error on? That what I heard wasn’t so or that the silence you hear means nothing is going on?
    And would they talk more about inside or more about outside?
    Who has the most to lose talking about it?
    Typically these allegations are not given out easily…so, when I hear of abuse, I tend to believe it. More often than not, IT is not spoken about.
    In the end, it may all come out in the wash, maybe not this year, but in time. It took 40 years before one brave girl was asked about it and she told. I can only hope, the same will happen in this situation.

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  4. Beth Jukuri Avatar
    Beth Jukuri

    (It took 40 years for my father to be justly exposed.)

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  5. Earl Redinger Avatar
    Earl Redinger

    I wonder if Martha could explain what the saved souls who cry and lament about “their evil thoughts,acts,and desires are all about during the massive movements at the end of each church session. I have a sneaky suspicion there may be some child abuse involved and the culprit she has never heard about is leaving the church yard and going to the local coffee shop with smiles all around and their self-righteous face in tact. Earl

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  6. Martha Smalley Avatar
    Martha Smalley

    Um, I’m sorry, Earl, I’m not sure what the question is. If you rephrase, I will try and answer, if I can, if I see it. I do not condone abuse of any kind, if that is the question, nor would I be game to hide it. Heck, divorce the sicko, I’ll cheer the person on!

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  7. Beth Jukuri Avatar
    Beth Jukuri

    Earl, you have touched on something, that I am sure they haven’t really thought of, since the sins, once forgiven, are forgotten. Meaning, we were not allowed to bring them up, for that was a sin as well.
    You do have to wonder what all the sins are. And, as I was so aptly told, “No sin is too great to forgive.”
    So, Martha could there not be abusers getting their acts of abuse forgiven….and you would not even know it? That is being ‘supportive’ by blessing them.
    My father tried this tactic….and, I guess I should not say tried, but he did ask for a “Blessing” from a few family members. He knew it was a way to curb the anger towards him and it worked on some.
    The usage of this application, restores the ‘goodness’ and washes away the bad…Leaving the abuser in good shape, but what about the victims?
    Just by blessing the abusers, you are standing with them and not with the victims…in my opinion.
    Somehow the church and many of its people see themselves as clean and good….the way the feel AFTER the blessing and don’t acknowledge the dirty part. I guess, I am one that is trying to share what happens to the sins upon the children.
    The sea of grace….is a falsehood. In the case of abuse, the sins are alive and well, living now within the child. They take on the dirtiness, the shame and guilt….their innocence lost, while carrying the sins of the abuser.

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  8. Martha Smalley Avatar
    Martha Smalley

    I guess I don’t know if it happens…..abusers asking forgiveness from people. I do believe any sin can be forgiven, but that does not mean you keep doing it over and over and think “oh, it’s okay, I’ll ask for a blessing”. Because then, are you truly repentant? And while it can be forgiven, you still need to make restitution to the wronged, I think. And in the case of a pedophile, I don’t believe they can ever be trusted around children again. Never. Any visits with kids should be supervised heavily, no one on one contact again. (and this is after a jail sentence).

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  9. Earl Redinger Avatar
    Earl Redinger

    Martha thankyou for you honest response. But we in the US can’t say we have never heard of abusers asking for repentance over and over again as the law suits toward priest in the Catholic way of life just keeps on coming. Oh, and by the way. It was NOT brought to the attention of the good folks sitting quietly in the pews until some brave soul(Beth comes to mind)stood up and said NO MORE. This is what I think is going to happen. Your way of life is being threatened from the inside out and it is because of folks like my sister who sit and believe that everything is how she feels it is while the wall are coming down. The more this comes out, the more you will see it was happening around you the whole time you sat there in denial. Earl

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  10. Beth Jukuri Avatar
    Beth Jukuri

    Doesn’t it seem like IF people actually changed after asking for forgiveness, IF they really changed the way they behaved, they would eventually run out of things to ask forgiveness for? And, yet I believe it is used SO they don’t have to change.
    The topic of sins and abusers becomes a slippery slope, for how powerful are the “forgiveness of sins” if you still have to work at retribution, changing etc. IT makes the words meaningless, at least to me.
    They don’t change the abuser, they don’t heal the victims and they don’t eliminate the need for retribution or remorse….so say again, what is the use of forgiveness of sins?

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  11. Martha Smalley Avatar
    Martha Smalley

    Well, that’s what it comes down to, right? IF people change….in other words, are they truly repentant? Maybe they are. I’ve read articles on how the abusers have an illness like other mental illnesses. Which, as someone with a mental illness, I find insulting. ๐Ÿ™‚ Maybe they do feel remorse. But the sickness is too much. That’s why you can’t trust them around kids once you know. I’m digressing. To me, the point of the forgiveness of sins is that you recognize you are not perfect, that you cannot reach heaven on your own merits. But that even though we “suck” (to be vulgar)we all still have the hope to make it there. It’s a reminder that Jesus died for us. As you say, what are words? Nothing without your faith to back it up. I admit, I have issues with rapists and pedophiles. It is not something I think I could forgive. To Earl: we must agree to disagree on some things, but I would challenge you on one point. Your use of the word denial. I never knew of Beth’s father until I saw her blog. I would not call it denial, but extreme naivete. I was far into adulthood before I knew of deviant behaviors. I am blessed I did not have to learn of them in an unpleasant, harmful way. And I don’t think the walls are coming down, but perhaps you could say, the scales are being removed from some people’s eyes? And I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Again, I harken back to mental illness. I would love it if I could discuss it openly without the stigma attached. It’s getting there. Same as awareness that abuse happens, even by esteemed elders.

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  12. Martha Smalley Avatar
    Martha Smalley

    Extremely long, sorry.

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  13. Beth Jukuri Avatar
    Beth Jukuri

    Not to be Sorry, if we can dialogue so we can both hear each other.
    Awareness is what I would love to have happen, to even open the space that it is possible, that our family is/wasn’t the only one. And, that the forgiveness of sins, while being seemingly harmless and an avenue to Heaven, can also be a tool pedophiles use. And, it is also the key that locks many into silence.
    Let’s keep talking!
    I can see the innocence side of religion, but I have also learned how it can be hijacked and used in devious ways. I have also been hoodwinked into believing the appearance of others while a whole other truth is literally going on.
    The folks on the outside are not all bad and the ones on the inside are not all honest.
    Not all sins are equal.
    What is mental illness? To me, it is when reality isn’t seen or fully appreciated, when the mind plays games and keeps the person removed from what is. Martha, I would love to hear your thoughts on mental illness.
    So, is pedophilia a mental illness or is it something deeper? Some feel they don’t know what they are doing, and others feel they must for they hide it….

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